by Richard M. Dolan Phenomena Magazine September 10, 2004 Earlier in 2004, Phenomena Editor Richard Dolan interviewed Dr. Steven Greer. Greer is the founder of the Center for [the] Study of Extraterrestrial intelligence (CSETI), which claimes to have initiated communication and contact with extraterrestrials on Earth. In addition, Greer has founded the Disclosure Project, dedicated to ending official secrecy regarding UFOs. Dolan (D): In 1990, you formed the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI),and within three years you're getting an invitation to meet with Laurence Rockefeller. How did that happen so quickly? Greer (G): To be honest with you, I think it was the force of the message. Not only had we put together an enormous amount of documentation about the phenomenon, but we had also formulated teams that were going all over the world, and had reproducible results with hundreds of witnesses - who had been able to signal to these objects. We had different teams in England, or Belgium, or Mexico, or places in the United States. From a number of them we got videotapes, photographs, or other witnesses who saw the event happening. D: Some of the stories are extraordinary. G: Yes, and they're all absolutely true. In fact they're way understated. This is what caught the attention of people like Laurence Rockefeller, Mrs. Buttros Ghali [wife of the former UN General Secretary], former head of Army Intelligence General Stubblebine, and eventually friends of the President [Clinton]. Some very good friends of the President became cognizant of what we were doing and urgently wanted us to get information to the President, to his science advisor, as well as to some of the senior military intelligence people in his administration after he got elected in 1993. So we put together briefing materials and had meetings. The main thing is that this is an inside game. I hate to use that term, but this has mainly been a process of educating two classes of people who are "insiders." One are the people who are on the inside, who should know, but don't, such as Presidents, CIA directors, and so on. The other part of it is educating, from a new paradigm, the national and international security control group - which some call MJ-12 - that deals with these issues. That is a committee of about two or three hundred people, and I know a number of them. The issue here is to educate them to the need for disclosure, for safe applications of technologies, and for this matter to be handled wisely. We feel that it has been handled promiscuously and dangerously. If you look at some of the things that have happened over the last fifty years, aside from it eroding the rule of law and democracy, the actual handling of the subject itself has been dangerous. It's a very dangerous thing for example, for the Commander in Chief of Atlantic Command, Admiral Harry Trane, not to have had adequate information on the subject and to scramble jets up and down the eastern seaboard trying to force down one of these objects. [This refers to an alleged military-UFO encounter from May 1981 - Ed.]. This kind of behavior, which has mainly taken place in a vacuum of secrecy, is a danger to the national security. You have people who have a need to know who can't find out anything. And then you have other people who do know and are controlling it, but they're in a cult of secrecy that becomes hermetically sealed. D: You briefed CIA director Woolsey, and there's talk that you briefed some other very high-level Clinton officials. I'm wondering who those were. For example, the name Al Gore came up. Did you in fact brief Al Gore on UFOs? G: Well, there are a number of people in public life that I don't want to comment on, who we are currently meeting with. They are and extensive group of people. They include people who are currently friends with every living president. There's not a living president who doesn't have a close associate on our advisory team. So from that, you can extrapolate. D: Can you give a sense of when these briefings were happening, the kinds of things what were said? What do you think of Bill Clinton himself, and his sense of all this? G: First of all, for the most part, very few people in most administrations knew anything about the subject. They knew what they saw on a badly-done documentary on the Discovery Channel. It's a sad statement, but that is really true. This is not just the executive branch. I met with a member of the intelligence community back in the 1990's. That was Senator Richard Bryan, and it was traumatic. I use that word because there's this sense that [these officials] know this is the truth. But the problem is that if you make the case this is real, and you're talking to someone who is the head of the CIA, or is a high official in the intelligence community, you find they have been denied access. They've made an inquiry through channels and have been told no such project exists. This is frightening. Not in the sense that the phenomenon is is frightening, but that people could be at those levels of responsibility and operational divisions where they really do have a need to know, and where they are completely left in the dark. I would say that none of the reactions have been, "oh this is silly, it's nonsense." This is important to hear: I haven't had a single meeting with a high official, either scientific, political, or military, who has had that reaction. Not in the least. D: What were some of the other types of reactions? G: Dismay, deep concern, and great interest. D: Would you say they generally believe there's some kind of cover up going on? G: Oh yeah. I had with a member of congress who is on the House National Security Committee who said to me, bluntly: "We of course are window dressing." I'll never forget the poignant moment when we were finishing the nearly three-hour meeting with CIA Director [James] Woolsey and his wife, Dr. Sue Woolsey (who at the time was the Chief Operating Officer at the National Academy of Sciences). He was getting ready to leave, Secret Service were out front, and I gave him a summary packet with a set of recommendations for the Clinton Administration. This was in the December of 1993. He looked at me and said, "Dr. Greer, how can we disclose what we are being denied access to? What would that say to the world?" It's a very sobering thought, because part of the illusion here is that people we elect are actually in control. They're not. This is something that most people don't discuss. These [government officials] are not stupid or naive. Clinton was a very bright man. Cohen was a very brilliant man. Woolsey was a very smart man. They know there's something going on. When we did our first briefing for members of Congress in 1997, we gathered about a dozen military witnesses of UFO events. Following that, I had a meeting over at the Pentagon with a senior official, an admiral at the Joint Chiefs of Staff level. My military advisor, a man with great access to the senior flag officers, was a friend of this gentleman. We went over there with a couple of these witnesses. Prior to the meeting, I had given him some documents, code names, and numbers. These were current code names and code numbers. He took them and made inquiries at the Pentagon into these projects, and he hit pay dirt. He actually located these projects. When he made an inquiry, wanting to know what these projects were doing, he was flat out told, "Sir, you don't have a need to know." This is an admiral with the Intelligence Director. They told him he didn't have a need to know. He was furious. D: These are the code words for UFO related programs? G: Yes. They're actually ETV, extraterrestrial vehicle, related. No one uses the word UFO, by the way. UFO was coined after they knew they weren't unidentified and they knew they didn't fly. (Laughs). By the end of this briefing, this admiral said to me, "If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, you're dealing with some of the most powerful technologies. These are things that could do circles around my B-2 stealth bombers." He also said, "Unless the civilian authorities authorize me to push further, there's not much I can do." I then told him what we were planning to do with the Disclosure Project. To the extent that we could get people and documents and other things, we were going to put them out there. He looked at me and said, "If you can do it, do it." G: I was in Britain meeting with the Ministry of Defence, and also the former head of the Ministry of Defence, Lord Hill Norton. He's a Sea Lord, a Five Star Admiral. At one point he asked, "Why the hell wasn't I told about this when I was head of the Ministry of Defence?" I said "Sir, what would you have done while you were head of the MoD, and you found out that there was a clandestine group that was transnational - e.g. transcended national borders - that had this information. That had lied to the Presidents, Prime Ministers, and high officials. that had used hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to work on thies projects, and had sequestered them inside private corporate structures. And had also, literally, engaged in elimination - murder - in order to keep it secret?" He looked at me and said, "I wouldn't have stood for it for one bloody minute!" I said, "That's why they weren't going to tell you, and that's why they will never tell you." You see, the first thing these folks do is a soul biopsy. By that I mean they're going to take a reading of you as a person. Your whole person. If they don't think you'll go along with the game, they're not going to tell you. Or they'll tell you disinformation, or set you on the wrong track. Whether or not you know has nothing to do with your position. This is the big mistake that the UFO research community has made. Assumptions have been make, [like] "oh, you're the head of the National Security Agency, you know." Some NSA chiefs have known, some haven't. [Former NSA Director] Bobby Ray Inman knew. Others haven't. Some CIA directors had knowledge, others didn't. Bill Colby knew a great deal. D: Is that why Bill Colby died? G: Yeah, basically, I mean that's an untouched story. D: He died in 1996, in what was described as an 'unfortunate boating accident... By Henry Makow, PhD 5-29-5 The new "Star Wars" movie is fantasy. The true story could be much stranger and a lot more exciting. Stephen Greer MD, 49, head of "The Disclosure Project" is the hero of the non-fiction version. He is an ER physician who gave up medicine to lift the massive cover-up of UFOs. His egghead appearance is deceptive. He is 6 ft. 1, lean, charismatic and bench-presses 140 pounds with one arm. The Forces of Evil are the London-based central bankers. Like the fallen angel Lucifer (their idol) they have rebelled against the Creator's design and are determined to enslave mankind. They hold us prisoner mentally, spiritually, materially and technologically and plan a culling through war and virus. In 1945, the explosion of Atom bombs on earth caught the attention of advanced alien civilizations that feared we could become a menace. They have since made thousands of visits to earth, many focused on disarming atomic weapons. For example, Roswell New Mexico, where two UFOs were shot down and five alien corpses recovered in 1947, was the home of the only US nuclear weapons squadron at the time. There have been about two-dozen cases where spacecraft have been recovered including a few where aliens have been captured dead or alive. The bankers have suppressed this information and even kept Presidents and CIA Directors out of the loop. Both Carter and Clinton were threatened with assassination if they insisted on releasing this information. Dr. Greer has been offered bribes and threatened. In 1997, he and two close associates all came down with a mysterious strain of cancer at the same time. The two associates died. The bankers use Intelligence Agencies and Defense Corporations to control UFO information and pursue secret "black budget" research. The aliens have a "free energy" technology, which would make fossil fuels obsolete. The bankers have copied and suppressed it because they also control the oil cartel. This pollution-free technology would make a Third World War fought over dwindling energy reserves unnecessary. Finally, the "aliens" represent a level of spiritual evolution that would release humanity from its current arrested development. I realize this all sounds pretty far-fetched. Before you dismiss it, go to the Disclosure Project website and look at the National Press Club News Conference. Order the four-hour video in which dozens of retired officials of the US military industrial and intelligence establishment, including astronaut Gordon Cooper, confirm that this bizarre scenario is indeed true. Apparently "aliens" will be used to justify massive expenditures for space weaponry. When the "terrorist" threat runs its course, the bankers intend to fake an alien attack to force humanity to adopt their one-world dictatorship. They already have "alien reproduction vehicles" and alien clones for this hoax. Seen the movie "Independence Day"? We're going to "kick alien butt" in spite of the fact that in more than fifty years, the aliens have evinced no hostile intent, but rather a benign concern. The Luciferian bankers will use the space weaponry to ward off alien attempts to liberate plantation earth and maybe even export their special brand of Satanism, taking Lucifer's rebellion to the next level. Before I continue, let me remind you that most of our cherished beliefs have been spoon-fed to us by the banker-controlled media and educational systems. We have been given mental paradigms that act as filters and we cannot process this information. You don't have to accept or reject it. You can reserve judgment. I attended a four-hour workshop with Stephen Greer in Toronto May 21. He strikes me as a courageous and sincere person who is risking his life and the security of his family (he is married with four children) to challenge the pernicious cabal that currently controls the world. I am troubled however by the storybook quality of some of his personal history. He claims his father was of Cherokee Indian descent and that his family was dysfunctional. His parents were "devout atheists," which makes me wonder if they might also have been Communists. He claims he toiled at odd jobs to support his sisters and put himself though college. Exhausted, he came down with an unusual disease that resulted in a near-death experience during which he communicated with spirit beings. Ever since he has had the ability to access cosmic consciousness and communicate with extraterrestrials. He claims there are physical sightings of UFOs after he has psychically "vectored" them in. He describes one species of extraterrestrials as about 38-inches tall, bronze skinned, no ears and exuding a spirit of "kindness." Before becoming an MD, Greer was one of (Transcendental Meditation) Yogi Maharishi Mahesh's star trainers. Greer continues to offer instruction in achieving cosmic consciousness as part his Disclosure Project program. I am also troubled by Greer's apparent naivety in approaching members of what he calls the "Kleptocracy" for support in developing zero-point (free) energy. He claims Laurence Rockefeller wanted to endow the project but his family was "jumping on his balls." "How can you be so naive?" I challenged Greer. "Rockefeller is Standard Oil." But Greer maintains that individual members of the Kleptocracy are troubled by the direction of human affairs and may be willing to help. He says 40% of the "control group" is in favor of making the UFO phenomena public. He says people want to know about UFOs but few are willing to help him. "The trouble with nice people is that they are 'nice.' We need people who are willing to take risks. We need spirit warriors." CONCLUSION