InterNASA
Central entity in the Hermanson/Firmage fraud allegations and Campaign A investigation.
01 Definition
A Utah LLC (National Academy of Science and Arts LLC DBA InterNASA) launched by Joe Firmage in 2016, claiming advanced propulsion research with government connections. The LLC is now expired amid fraud allegations.
02 Detailed_Analysis
InterNASA was registered as a Utah LLC by Joe Firmage in 2016. It attracted investors including former Congressman Daniel Marriott and employed Bob Kiviat. Ronald Pandolfi served as advisor. The venture collapsed in 2018-2019. Firmage faces criminal fraud charges and a default judgment in the Marmer v. Firmage case.
03 Key_Facts
- ▸ Utah LLC (expired)
- ▸ Launched 2016 by Joe Firmage
- ▸ Collapsed 2018-2019
- ▸ Subject of fraud lawsuits
04 Deep_Dive_Intelligence
InterNASA was registered as a Utah LLC under the name National Academy of Science and Arts, LLC, doing business as InterNASA. It was launched by Joe Firmage in 2016 as a successor to his earlier Motion Sciences Organization. The venture attracted investors including former Congressman Daniel Marriott and employed Bob Kiviat as a producer. Ronald Pandolfi served as an advisor. Eric Hermanson participated in what he later described as a "special project" through InterNASA, claiming it was a CIA Special Access Program. Public evidence does not support the CIA SAP claim and instead supports a private commercial venture. The Marmer v. Firmage lawsuit alleges InterNASA claimed a $200 million DOD contract that did not exist, obtaining $666,717 from investors with no returns. Kiviat sued for approximately $300,000 in unpaid compensation. The Utah LLC is now expired. Firmage was arrested on criminal fraud charges related to InterNASA investor solicitation and ordered to stand trial in February 2024. A default judgment was entered against Firmage in the Marmer case in August 2024.
Campaign B Update (R1025)
TTSA Parallel Structure:
- InterNASA (2016) and TTSA (2017) were parallel cut-outs
- InterNASA: private/quiet cut-out (technology assessment)
- TTSA: public/loud cut-out (disclosure)
- Puthoff was the common link
- One-year stagger suggests coordinated strategy
- Both collapsed when cut-outs no longer needed
- InterNASA used 'intelligence summaries' and surveillance — IC methods
05 Intelligence_Analysis
National Academy of Science and Arts LLC DBA InterNASA; Utah LLC (expired); Firmage venture 2016-2018.
06 Related_Terms (2)
07 Related_Entities (7)
08 Timeline_Mentions (10)
USWeb Corporation founded by Joe Firmage
Joe Firmage co-founded USWeb, one of the first major internet services companies. The company went public in 1997 and merged with CKS in 1998 to form USWeb/CKS.
PersonnelFirmage leaves USWeb amid UFO controversy, founds ISSO
Joe Firmage stepped down as USWeb CEO after publicly promoting his UFO theories. He founded the International Space Sciences Organization (ISSO) to fund advanced propulsion research.
PersonnelManyOne LLC founded by Joe Firmage
Joe Firmage founded ManyOne LLC, a digital universe project intended to create a 3D encyclopedia and web portal. The company declared Chapter 7 bankruptcy in October 2009.
PersonnelMotion Sciences Organization business plan published
Motion Sciences Organization (MotionPhysics.org) published a business plan in November 2010 outlining advanced physics research directions.
PersonnelInterNASA (National Academy of Science and Arts LLC) launched
Joe Firmage launched InterNASA as a Utah LLC (National Academy of Science and Arts LLC DBA InterNASA), claiming advanced propulsion and energy research with government connections.
PersonnelHermanson "special project" begins with InterNASA
Eric Hermanson began what he later described as a "special project" involving InterNASA, Firmage, and Pandolfi. He claims this was a CIA SAP; evidence supports a private commercial venture.
PersonnelTTSA Launches, Elizondo Resigns — Coordinated Disclosure
The October 2017 TTSA launch and Elizondo resignation were coordinated events that set up the December 2017 NYT disclosure. TTSA served as the public-facing cut-out for the Invisible College, compleme
programInterNASA project "ceases to exist"
The InterNASA project collapsed in 2018. Hermanson reports the project reached a dead-end, technology was discredited, and relationships deteriorated.
PersonnelBob Kiviat sues Firmage, Pandolfi, and Marriott
Bob Kiviat filed a lawsuit against Joe Firmage, Ronald Pandolfi, and Daniel Marriott seeking approximately $300,000 in unpaid compensation connected to InterNASA work.
PersonnelJoe Firmage arrested on criminal fraud charges
Joe Firmage was arrested and faced criminal fraud charges related to InterNASA investor solicitation. In February 2024 he was ordered to stand trial.
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Quick_Facts
- Category
- Gray Track (Exotic)
- Aliases
- InterNASA, internasa, National Academy of Science and Arts LLC
- Sources
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- Related Terms
- 2
- Graph Entities
- 7
- Timeline Events
- 10